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JORDAN: ToM Chapters 11-14 (spoilers)

Figured I'd go ahead and deal with the next few chapters before going to the market, doing the Parasha reading, etc. (Sorry that's running a bit later than usual today, and will have to wait for me to do shopping as well!)

So now Elayne wants Cairhien after all, eh? Greedy greedy. And I'm not sure just how much I buy her explanations - yeah, it'll be tough for Andor caught in the middle of everyone, but that's not going to be made *less* difficult by her grabbing up more land that she has to try to integrate under her reign.

"Been played" again. Ugh. Just... ugh. In most cases Sanderson is good about writing with something close to Jordan's voice, but that is... jarring.

And here's where I'm really starting to realize that the times are all screwy, and it's hard to keep track of what happens before what. Because here we have Elayne talking about Egwene needing to reunify the Tower and all, Rand being all angry and everything still, etc etc. And there are more places where it's screwy later (like Tam being in two places at once apparently)... so what's going on when? Argh.

And wow, I always pictured Mat as pretty well literate and all. I mean, with all the reading half of the Two Rivers seems to do... But his letter is absolutely atrocious.

"Today Cadsuane hadn't the patience for it." Does she ever have patience with anything? I realized during this chapter... I'm REALLY hoping we get to see Egwene and Cadsuane meet (or maybe Cadsuane and Moiraine, post-rescue), and see Cads taken down another peg. Tam did it already a bit, but it doesn't seem to have had much lasting impact.

I was wondering about the "real reason" the Aiel were trailing Min since that seems all foreboding and all, but it just turns out later in the chapter to be so that they can have hint of Rand's movements. Bah.

And... more new viewings. Not too hard to figure out what bloodstained rocks is all about, at least!

If I have to wait to see Cadsuane get taken down a peg, at least we get to see Rand do it to Nynaeve slightly. And with humor! Hah.

With Rand's talk of facing Egwene coming up, I guess we still have the "know her anger" bit to come!

And the chapter 14 icon - have we seen that one before? I can't remember! I'm assuming it's for Tel'Aran'Rhiod?

And I like how Egwene of COURSE assumes that although she's in the middle of thinking how Nynaeve usually sees/does what's right, she automatically things Nynaeve has to be wrong this time, re: the seals. Of course she's being manipulated by the ta'veren-itude Egwene. Of course. You couldn't possibly be wrong, after all! Oh well, I'll cut her some slack, since she's been kicking much ass, and I guess everyone has their off moments.


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Nov. 5th, 2010 07:26 pm (UTC)
Weird narrative order. I don't think everyone's timeline converges until pretty much the last chapter.
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Nov. 5th, 2010 07:51 pm (UTC)
I think we're about seven books too late for that.
Nov. 6th, 2010 02:34 am (UTC)
This book is more confusing than I remember the other ones being in that regard.
Nov. 5th, 2010 07:23 pm (UTC)
I have a hard time buying Mat's writing, due to the fact that he has all those memories in his head. ONE of them must have been a scholar!

But yeah, I had to get used to the idea that a lot of this novel BUT not all of it falls during the last one. It was disconcerting. (I'm on, like, chapter 40. Ish.)
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Nov. 5th, 2010 07:33 pm (UTC)
Christ, I know people who write that badly, who have MSEE or MSME

That is an excellent point, sadly.
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Nov. 6th, 2010 02:58 am (UTC)
You win again, Lews The... wait.
Nov. 5th, 2010 09:47 pm (UTC)
For a real-life dirt farmer perhaps, but we've already seen tons of people reading and quite literate in the series. We know Rand, for instance, read, and by my (admittedly possibly innacurate) estimate Min isn't exactly much higher socially I'd say than Mat and the others and she's literate enough to take over for a damn scholar.
Nov. 5th, 2010 07:40 pm (UTC)
I found it entirely consistent to the character of Mat, as contrasted to Brandon Sanderson's character of "Mat," the compulsive author who stayed up all night once writing elaborate fictional back-stories.
Nov. 5th, 2010 07:42 pm (UTC)
Haha, you are really bothered by it, aren't you?

I'm bothered more by the tics in his internal thoughts ("i'll keep her in mind for my friend x, blah blah") than anything else.
Nov. 5th, 2010 08:06 pm (UTC)
That was some really blatant author-insertion, IMNSHO.

Characters repeating absurd things to themselves ad nauseum about their misconceptions about themselves and/or their friends is classic Jordan.
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Nov. 5th, 2010 08:25 pm (UTC)
Nov. 5th, 2010 08:35 pm (UTC)
True, Dat. I mean, yeah, OK...Lini suggested it. That Perrin would actually try and do it, though? Wut?
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Nov. 12th, 2010 03:57 pm (UTC)
Who can tell such things?
Nov. 12th, 2010 07:46 pm (UTC)
Also! Insistences on "just marry them regardless of what they want!" have been coming from Lini since Path Of Daggers, long before Sanderson.
Nov. 5th, 2010 08:26 pm (UTC)
It must be less weird when you're listening to the books, then. In fact, I think it is. (my last re-read was a re-listen)
Nov. 5th, 2010 07:52 pm (UTC)
Thank you.

(I thought I was the only one who noticed that and went "no how, no way, no Mat.")
Nov. 6th, 2010 02:37 am (UTC)
Nope, I think pretty much everyone complained about that when the last book came out. The Mat I've seen so far in ToM has been a lot more consistent with Jordan's Mat, if not entirely so.
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