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Urgh, I really hope that psychiatrists/psychologists are generally better than they're portrayed to be all the time in crime media, because dude. And what is with that, anyhow? A trace still of the whole "hur hur, that's wishy-washy thinkin' stuff, not macho real, physical stuff like real men (and maybe women) do" motif?

And we find out that Rorschach has made anti-cop statements in the past at least, which ties in a bit to what I was wondering last time. Hrm.

Ooo, I'd forgotten about the Kitty Genovese case tie-in. Or more to the point, I don't think I even knew really about her case the first time I read this, way back when, so it meant nothing to me. I had also forgotten just why/how Rorschach's mask changed shape the way it did. Figures there's Dr. Manhattan involved somehow..

Ugh, the thought of anyone admiring the Comedian is... *shudder* I mean, from all we've seen, he was pretty much as bad as the people he fought against. Although now at least we can see why/how Rorschach was actually partners with someone... it was before the kidnapping.

Which... urgh. The less said about it, the better. Just... damn.

Man, Gloria comes off less and less sympathetic as the chapter wears on, doesn't she?

As for the texty bits, a withered rose? I was wondering what that was about, but then I remembered: it's probably the one from Blake's grave. Nice touch. I'm still wondering about the handwriting (if it is a cypher or not), and about the pepper. The former's pretty much got to be his journal, but I'm just wondering if it's supposed to be coded, or if he's just not really able to write well enough to read, and the latter I guess is probably the remains of some of the many bits of food he's purloined.

I wonder if Rorschach's father is supposed to have any significance. Other of course than the fact that he was absent, and his mother was a prostitute.

I think that's all I wanted to cover... anyhow, discuss! Not that y'all need me to say that...

Hello again, Mr.Schedule!


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Jan. 15th, 2010 04:29 pm (UTC)
Hopefully it doesn't say that you enjoy hunting down criminals and breaking their limbs, possibly setting them on fire!
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Jan. 15th, 2010 06:22 pm (UTC)
Well, he IS humble...
Jan. 16th, 2010 04:12 am (UTC)
Ooo, I'd forgotten about the Kitty Genovese case tie-in. Or more to the point, I don't think I even knew really about her case the first time I read this, way back when, so it meant nothing to me.

Whoa! Thank you! I knew about the incident (from a Harlan Ellison story, I think), but I'm not sure I ever knew the name. I hadn't thought to connect this to real life.

I've read "Watchmen" twice before, about 10 years apart. The previous two times, this chapter didn't do a lot for me. I'm not sure if it's because I was absorbing other people's perceptions of Rorschach, or because it didn't seem related enough to the current action. In general, reading a chapter at a time (and talking about it with y'all) has made me appreciate the book a lot more.

Random thoughts:
* I think that Rorschach wanted to tell his story.
* Naming the dogs Fred and Barney reminds me of "The Flintstones", but that's not an association I want to keep.
* The psychologist bursting out, "You have friends?" -- makes me wonder if he's good at his job after all.
* On the cloth: "When I had cut it enough, it didn't look like a woman anymore." Yikes.

Edited at 2010-01-16 04:18 am (UTC)
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Jan. 16th, 2010 10:06 pm (UTC)
I know! But is there any professional, capable psychologist portrayed in mass media? (This is only partly a rhetorical question... I can't think of any offhand!)
Jan. 17th, 2010 02:28 am (UTC)
Fictional psychologists have it much better these days. After thinking about 5 minutes, I came up with: 1) Sweets on the TV show Bones, 2) Monk's psychologist on Monk, and 3) the psychologist on Sarah Connor Chronicles who was hired to take care of Catherine Weaver's baby AI.

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Jan. 17th, 2010 02:42 am (UTC)
Ah hah! Trying to hide, huh?


But yeah, I guess psychologists are doing a bit better more recently, but, well, all of those examples are pretty recent. At least it's a good sign that trends are changing/have changed? I guess?
Feb. 10th, 2010 11:10 am (UTC)
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Jan. 17th, 2010 04:01 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's one thing I didn't really get or appreciate as much the first time I read this book/series - just how damn interconnected everything is, how intricately planned the text and art are, and how they reinforce each other. Whether you enjoy it or not, it's definitely one of the graphic works that stand out to show that comic books aren't just silly or for kids. I mean, even aside from the subject matter.

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Jan. 17th, 2010 08:49 pm (UTC)
Yes, I meant to mention the time compression is what kills it for me too. I mean, if it were over the course of months, maaaybe even weeks, then she'd come across as understandably upset as her husband starts to ignore her more and more, and slip away into depression/what have you.

As it stands though, she just comes across as a high-maintenance shrew that can't STAND for him to pay attention to something other than her for an evening or two. Especially when her precious friends that are part of the reason she gets pissed off are coming off as assholes!
Feb. 10th, 2010 03:40 am (UTC)
I think another part of the reason why this works so intensely is that by introducing the story through Rorschach's POV Moore is playing on our preconceptions of where stories are supposed to make us sympathise. The conceptual judo there of drawing us into the brain of someone we are supposed to see as antihero and then confront us with what we have to some extent being trying to justify in as brutal a sense as possible.
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